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Post by jasonandsarah on Jul 23, 2014 6:53:08 GMT -5
Currently I have 4 pumps I'm my sump including my skimmer. If like to take that down to 2 pumps including the skimmer. I sketched a drawing please forgive my drawing skills(or lack there of) my plan is to change out my return pump for a dc pump that pushes 3500gph or so and t off my reactors from my inline from the overflow. In my drawing I have it split from one line to 3 lines, gfo, bio pellets and to the sump but my new overflow has 2 drains so I'd actually like to t both lines so I have 4 in case I want to add something down the rd. Now I should be able to adjust the flow to each reactor with a ball valve correct? Is there anything I'm missing? I may have to add another overflow because I'm unaware of the gph on this one I just got? It has 2 1"drains but I don't think I'm going to run the newer return pump at 100% because I don't want to much flow. I'll have to see what it looks like after getting the reactors right. But I want the return line going to the shimmer chamber to be around 1000gph. Sorry for the drawn out thread and ty for any help or input anyone may have it's much appreciated.    |
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Post by ryansweatt2004 on Jul 23, 2014 8:17:32 GMT -5
Biggest issue I see is your plumbing everything off your overflow lines which is going to restrict the flow to your sump. Your more likely to have problems with trying to use the gravity feed of your overflow vs the direct pressure of your main pump to power everything. Your much better off building a manifold with tee's and ball valves from your main pump to divide flow to your reactors and your tank. Leave your overflow as just an open drain to the sump.
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Post by foggman on Jul 23, 2014 8:55:00 GMT -5
Gate valves are better IMO they tend to not get stuck as easy
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Post by BriMc on Jul 23, 2014 9:20:15 GMT -5
The original set up must have generated a lot of heat with all those pumps in the sump.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Jul 23, 2014 9:52:51 GMT -5
Heat is one of many reasons I'm wanting to change things up power consumption being the biggest and just overall less clutter and less pumps to clean:)
My tank stays at a steady 77.5 to 78° on a normal day and only heat issues are on really hot days and the ac's take care of that easily. I will say though that the pumps made it so I didn't use a heater 90% of the winter.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Jul 23, 2014 10:00:23 GMT -5
Biggest issue I see is your plumbing everything off your overflow lines which is going to restrict the flow to your sump. Your more likely to have problems with trying to use the gravity feed of your overflow vs the direct pressure of your main pump to power everything. Your much better off building a manifold with tee's and ball valves from your main pump to divide flow to your reactors and your tank. Leave your overflow as just an open drain to the sump. A manifold being? A pipe that just has t's in different sections? Like what syntax did on the newer set up here?.. Mainefragswap.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&post=24178125 Build |
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Post by ryansweatt2004 on Jul 23, 2014 10:26:03 GMT -5
This is a rough Idea of what I meant.  |
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Post by Lance on Jul 23, 2014 10:53:06 GMT -5
I've been thinking about running my bio-pellet reactor off of gravity as well. I like the idea of feeding my bacteria the fish waste ASAP. On the other hand I'm not sure how much of a plugging issue this will cause with no filtering in-line before the reactor.
I do think you could come up with a clever way of plumbing it so that there is never a chance of backing up your drain line...
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Post by jasonandsarah on Jul 23, 2014 11:16:45 GMT -5
That's my only worry is that all the dirty water is going to go all the way through my sump before going through my return pump and then my filtration? Besides my skimmer.
I'm sure it wouldn't be a giant problem but just seems like I'd get a while lot more build up in the chambers of my sump.
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Post by moulton712 on Jul 25, 2014 19:21:59 GMT -5
Curveball, something to think of. Off a manifold some reactors like the ball/ gate valve after the reactor instead of before. This will pressurize the reactor. Also if you have the valve before once your media get clogged or spent your output will go down vs having the valve after. If you have the valve after you will have the same resistance throughout you reactor. I'm horrible at explaining. I read this a while ago and am not sure which reactors you want this. I read people had problems with teed off the return pump and having several outputs. Things go well for a while, then all of a sudden output flow changes due to ever changing resistance. What I would do is have 2 pumps. Dedicated return and a second for all reactors. Especially if you have tuned silencers of some kind, they won't need to be played with.
On my 90, I have 0 reactors, i rarely throw carbon or phos remover. I over feed
On my 40 I have go, carbon, i under feed. I have more issues with this setup . I think its low flow, low live rock and low sand.
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Post by speedyron on Jul 26, 2014 5:32:38 GMT -5
Ive tried to run my reactors off the return and it didnt seem to have enough power. I had valves on them and seemed to keep adjusting them (flow kept changing). even had a valve on sump tube to make more water go to reactors. also there is the water airiation u have to think about. falling into your sump is what puts the air into your water that your fish need. well just didnt have nuff power to work the way i wanted it to work so i ended up using seperate pumps. but lots people run it like ryan suggests. I just didnt want to reduce my flow going to my tank
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Post by jasonandsarah on Jul 26, 2014 7:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by moulton712 on Jul 26, 2014 8:02:15 GMT -5
I have the jebao dc 9000, never used it yet so can't tell you my opinion, but you saw the construction
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Post by gotareef on Jul 26, 2014 9:26:04 GMT -5
That's my only worry is that all the dirty water is going to go all the way through my sump before going through my return pump and then my filtration? Besides my skimmer. I'm sure it wouldn't be a giant problem but just seems like I'd get a while lot more build up in the chambers of my sump. with a manifold like ryan posted a pic of you will get better filtration,just have your reactors drain back into the overflow chamber. the filtered water will go back into the sump mixing with the dirty tank water and getting filtered again. build up in the sump chambers is what you want, then it can easily be removed and wont clog your filters making them last longer, otherwise the nasties will settle in the display |
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