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Post by jasonandsarah on May 3, 2014 10:57:36 GMT -5
where is the waste. perhaps your talking bout your water bill. mine has not risen. maybe i wash my harley to much Where is the waste? Approximately 4 gallons of waste water for every 1 gallon of filtered on average. That is what an RODI system produces give or take a gallon or so depending upon the set up and the age of the filters. Pouring that waste water down the drain is exactly how it is described, waste. When you are on city service you pay for water and sewer. Sewer bills are based upon how much water you use, so the cost is a factor at least for me. I also use my "waste water" I have it hooked to a separate bucket and I use it for rinsing equipment and Such for the tank so I'm not rising with tap water. I also use it for watering my wife's plants. When I said I wanted to install a drain for waste water I was talking about when I do water changes to put the waste water outside. I don't think this water is reusable:). But I do plan to use my waste water from water changes and skimmer for our garden this year as I hear it's great for plants and veggies! Anyone else know about this at all? I know I dumped it near our BlackBerry bushes last year and they grew like crazy. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by speedyron on May 3, 2014 16:36:36 GMT -5
actually a toilet uses a system closer to mine then yours and every home has one = pretty safe. I dont see any toilets with 12volt systems. as to redundancy or a safeguard is where I said add a drain and if gets too high in sump let it go thru a tube into drain, and its good to use for water changes. I said my bill has not risen. there is a minimum charge = so many gallons of water you can use in lets say a three month period or what ever it is in your town, if you go over that amount you pay more and I havent had to pay more. so if im not having to pay more where is the waste. the water going in the drain is not wasted it is getting recycled as I pointed out in the earlier post. it is going to the waste water treatment plant treated and released back into the environment, not wasted. the harley thing was just a joke
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 3, 2014 17:02:58 GMT -5
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Post by speedyron on May 3, 2014 17:18:10 GMT -5
hack has a beautiful tank (showed me pictures of it when i met him in south po petco one evening)and can do with it what he wishes, but as far as being safer to use that system it is just not true. even a 12volt float will have a higher failure rate then a mechanical float. if u mix your kalk in your top off water and let go in only as it needs make up water. is not as good as dosing regular intervals and metered amounts or simply testing and add as needed
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 3, 2014 20:38:46 GMT -5
Could you show me some statistics on failure rates and safety of the different float switches in question? Where are you getting your facts from that your defending so badly? I mean is as simple as "to each his/her own" it's the person that owns the tanks responsibility to decide what goes in or around the tank. I think anyone that thinks there's ONE way to do anything in this hobby is sadly mistaken because you can find thousands of different successful reefers that all do things in different ways. Doesn't make any of them wrong. I don't like mechanical float switches at all but you don't see me trying to convince you to switch your set up do you? Agree to disagree because no one is winning this argument imo. And it's way off topic from what the thread I started was for.  Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by Hack157 on May 3, 2014 21:24:28 GMT -5
Wow, all I can say is I stand corrected, there is only one right system for an ATO. I would point out all the inconsistencies, off topic, out of context, or clearly made up rebuttals (such as people can use Kalk and have metered dosing as well, I do), but frankly I could care less and I have better things to do. Reading but not hearing seems to be a recurring theme on many forums which is why I post so rarely. This almost incessant need to be right is just beyond my comprehension as I have never tried to pretend to have all the answers. Nor do I have the desire to show people how to connect the dots which would include the fact that I NEVER said my ATO system was the safest. I just offered to help with someone that had reached the same conclusion on their own as I did a few years ago. So Jason my offer stands if you think I can help with your project don't hesitate to ask, but please do it through private messages as this is likely my last post for while and certainly my last on this topic. I am an avid reader and researcher, but unless asked will rarely offer an opinion, and this thread should explain why.
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Post by jess on May 3, 2014 22:10:23 GMT -5
Sometimes i think people forget there's no right or wrong way to do most things in this hobby. I do know that there's something to be learned in almost every persons personal experience, and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I hope George that you will continue to post regardless. I know nothing about atos and have gained knowledge from reading all aspects of this thread and each person's opinions and experiences.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 3, 2014 23:10:19 GMT -5
So Jason my offer stands if you think I can help with your project don't hesitate to ask, but please do it through private messages as this is likely my last post for while and certainly my last on this topic. I am an avid reader and researcher, but unless asked will rarely offer an opinion, and this thread should explain why. I like to get in on conversations as much as possible. But when it gets completely off topic and turns into a argument more then once it just seems a little over the top. I tried to get back on the subject of the thread 3+ pages ago. I value every single opinion on this thread even when I completely disagree. I really do appreciate all the help George and when I get all the parts in (Friday) I believe, I'll definitely pm you. As I'll need the help!  Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by Pokahpolice on May 4, 2014 10:02:03 GMT -5
There is another reason to use an electronic switch with a relay. Not sure if the Apex is capable but my plan is to use my controller to work as a fail-safe. With a simple program I can tell the relay to shut off and stay off until reset if it stays on too long. Just another redundancy to make sure I don't flood the living room.
Kinda off topic but you guys realize that here in Maine we don't 'waste' water right? Waste water goes back into the ground, gets naturally filtered and eventually makes its way back into a tributary.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 4, 2014 13:13:32 GMT -5
Kinda off topic but you guys realize that here in Maine we don't 'waste' water right? Waste water goes back into the ground, gets naturally filtered and eventually makes its way back into a tributary. Idk about anyone else, but when I say "waste water" I mean the water that comes out of the Ro before hitting the Di stage. This water is normally between 2-3 tds but instead of making it go through the ground get refiltered by my Ro/Di I use it for other things like rinsing washed equipment for the tank and other things. I guess it's not really waste water as much as it's a waste of your filters if your not using it for anything because it's good water that's been filtered by carbon, sediment and your Ro membrane. I just don't like seeing it go down the drain when it's good water and used up my filters. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 4, 2014 13:15:09 GMT -5
There is another reason to use an electronic switch with a relay. Not sure if the Apex is capable but my plan is to use my controller to work as a fail-safe. With a simple program I can tell the relay to shut off and stay off until reset if it stays on too long. Just another redundancy to make sure I don't flood the living room. Yes the apex can do this as well. I plan to do it as soon as I get the parts in to build my break out box. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by speedyron on May 4, 2014 17:06:39 GMT -5
I am truly sorry if I offended you Hack or george and I dont want you to feel like you can not post in open forum but my intent was not to argue with you or make you feel affronted. I was simply disagreeing with you. the topic was auto top off not a specific type it rolled around to him using a specific type and I was just saying why what and how I run mine. When I did or wondered what was wrong with the way rob said. I got feed back and responded to those. again im sorry if you think I was trolling or trying to pick a fight. I was just saying why I think my system was better
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 4, 2014 17:31:32 GMT -5
I'm sure it's all good speedyron. Sometimes you have to understand that everyone is always going to have different opinions in this hobby and EVERYONE thinks there's is the best, until they decide to try something new! lol But just to clear things up Rob told me about that ato along time ago. I started this thread months ago and built that ato and didn't feel safe enough with it and just waited till now to get the motivation to build it the way I really wanted to and when I started this thread back up I knew what ato I wanted and was only trying to get help with the build. That's why I told you awhile ago that I already knew what I wanted to do and wasn't even considering anything else. I only wanted help with building this ato. Maybe if I would have started another thread and put it in the "pictures, tank tours and builds" section there'd of been less confusion. So that's my fault. Hopefully George will change his mind and come back! ;D Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards |
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Post by speedyron on May 4, 2014 17:46:53 GMT -5
I hope he does cuz I don't think im always right. I just say why I do things and hope others do also. by there responses is how I learn. And hopfuly some people learn by mine.
onto the topic tho when u get your new place you can go with a system like mine and still use the electronic float as your sensor for your apex.
I wish u drove you ought come up look at this. Is a very simple set up. never have to fill a makeup container. It still works without power. less to go wrong with it. not saying its fail safe (nothing is) but I allways tell my self keep it simple stupid.
I,m away from home a lot so I want things be automatic and all my wife has to do is empty the skimmer jug once every three days and feed the fish
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 4, 2014 18:19:07 GMT -5
Yeah well I'm home all the time so I need to still have some stuff to do! Lol
I've seen set ups similar to yours. Todd had a system that was very close if not the same. He ran like 100' of tubing through his house so his water would fill directly from his Ro/Di to his bucket and then to his tank all gravity fed.
Also as I said before I've wanted it like this for awhile just haven't gotten off my A$$ to do it! Lol not really I've just had a lot of projects going on lately. And now that I've got the apex I can control everything!
For someone like yourself you should definitely consider a controller(apex!) Since your gone all the time for work. You can literally control every aspect of your tank if you want to while your gone. But the best thing is once you get it set up you don't have to control it while your away because it controls it self! You can even do water changes while your away if you want to!;D check your ph, salinity, orp, temp and anything you can think of shut your lights off even check in on the tank via web cam! I hear cultivated reef sells them and will look out for you if you order through him as well. I always try to keep my money local if possible plus it's a great place, as you know I'm sure. That's where I got mine if you couldn't tell:)
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