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Post by Syntax on Apr 2, 2014 15:36:06 GMT -5
Very neat idea with the roll of drainage pipe sock. This is another area of reefkeeping that has many different schools of thought and I truly believe that for most aquarists using a filter sock will do more harm than good (particularly with the felt socks). The mesh socks are better but even then, unless the water is truly very turbid and needs to be polished often, any filter sock will do more harm than good in a reef tank. Just my opinion, but If i recall correctly, many of the reef central tanks of the months fed fuges with raw water and only used filter socks as needed. I've been contemplating moving away from sock except when I am performing maintenance on the tank… blowing rock off with a power head, put a sock on to catch the nasties. |
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Post by BriMc on Apr 3, 2014 8:54:52 GMT -5
I'll take pictures of my fuge when I break down the 29 and you can see the crud in the refugium from being fed direct tank water then I will take pictures of my sump that is 10 years old that has had filter socks used on it constantly. My sump has not been cleaned in any way in ten years, and it has all sorts of living goodies in it including sponges. The refugium has been cleaned every year or less and is always a mess. On the filter socks yes I agree if you use the felt ones ( the first ones I ever used )they tend to hold the nasties and release bad things back into your tank. I use the plastic net style ones and buy them direct from the manufacturer as food grade so I know what they are. One other question I have to this is how old are these refugiums we are talking about?
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Post by BriMc on Apr 3, 2014 9:39:48 GMT -5
So the tank is about 10 months old, a new tank and not a mature tank? Sort of like setting up a new tank, adding water to it, and saying " look how nice my tank looks". Show me the sump in another year with little to no maintenance.
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Post by NateG on Apr 3, 2014 9:45:34 GMT -5
At one point in time does a garden not need maintenance? At what point in time does an aquarium not need maintenance. Do you have any credible sources that say that a refugium is a maintenance free environment?
BTW those pictures were posted to show the concept behind the baffling. Not a bogus judgement call on how the tank looks not or over time. That is not the argument.
EVERYONE. Post your picture of your clean (and old) refugium that don't have a prefilter so this guy can take a hike! lol
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Post by BriMc on Apr 3, 2014 10:15:36 GMT -5
Nate we were talking about the use of filter socks in the last few post not the pretty pictures of your Buddy " The service person at Easy's" Baffles. All the sudden you post pictures of your buddies sump. Sorry if I can't follow your leads. I want to make sure "Everybody" understands what you posted as it was was sort of miss leading, why would you post it was 10 months old if you were showing the pictures of the baffles and not how clean it was after ten months. Grow up and don't be so defensive when people question or comment about things you post. I have been doing Reefs for a long time and can back up most of the things I post on this site. I give my opinions and experiences in the hopes of helping people out. If you don't like what I post or get offended don't respond to my post. Period !!! "EVERYONE. Post your picture of your clean (and old) refugium that don't have a prefilter so this guy can take a hike! lol" is really kind of childish don't cha think? I all ready stated I can provide pictures of my ten year old sum that has had filter socks on it from day one and my refugium that was cleaned within the past year and has had tank water dumped directly into it.
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Post by ryansweatt2004 on Apr 3, 2014 10:19:01 GMT -5
For what it's worth, there's no right or wrong way to set up a working sump and refugium. Just because what works or doesn't work for one persons reef doesn't mean it will work on someone else's setup. Prime example. My 75 gallon has a 2 inch drain that dumps directly into my skimmer compartment which then overflows into my refugium which then overflows back into my pump auto top off compartment where my water blaster 2600gph pump pushes it all back to my display tank without being restricted. My refugium has a 6 inch deep sand bed with 4 inches of water depth for cheato. My refugium takes the complete raw flow from my main pump 24/7 and I never use filter socks anymore and don't have any issues with detritus buildup. I also don't use any bubble traps either and I have no micro bubbles in my display. And, get this, I siliconed acrylic baffles to a glass aquarium and they are strong as ever, going on 3 years now. The only maintenance I have to do on my sump aside from the yearly soaking of my pumps is scraping the coralline algae off the glass and trimming the macro algae. Maybe I'm just adding fuel to the fire but it's my .02 cents.
On the other hand I do use 100 micron filter socks in my sump when I siphon my sand bed. I leave my tank running and drain all the crud from my sand bed directly to a filter sock in my sump before I do my water change. Then I remove the sock and all the solid organics while my tank is draining. My sump is just a 40 breeder with a super reef octopus 3000 skimmer by the way.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Apr 3, 2014 10:31:44 GMT -5
I think every nice tank I've seen that's well established and has thriving fish and corals in it and are immaculately clean, Have all been set up differently. They all have different maintenance routines as well.
I know when I asked for help when building my sump all the people I asked gave different advice. I took a little from all of them and that's how my tank has always been set up. I take things I like from successful tanks and try them out if they work GREAT if they don't then I don't use them anymore.
Whatever happened to everyone's tank is different, and what works for you may not work for me?
I never take advice from anyone that tells me "It has to be done like this or you will fail"
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Post by NateG on Apr 3, 2014 10:48:00 GMT -5
mmm SRO3000 If you don't run a heater...YOU WILL FAIL!! uh ohh...lol With the turnover rate of reefers being 1:1 a year, I've shied away from recommending a filter sock because more often than not it will create more problems than solutions for even the above average reefer. FWIW Bob Fenner of wetwebmedia has been turning his readers off from the socks as well. In BobF I trust.  |
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Post by jasonandsarah on Apr 3, 2014 11:03:31 GMT -5
I've always been told if you change your socks regularly they won't stink? Haha
No really though I was told if I switch my filter socks out every 3 days I won't have any problems? Is there any truth to this?
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Post by BriMc on Apr 3, 2014 11:28:23 GMT -5
Nate, you recite from almost every author that has ever published anything on reef tanks, again different things work for different people. One thing that works is experience, doing it, not reading and reciting what every author writes about. If you don't run a heater...YOU WILL FAIL!! uh ohh...lol May not cause you to fail but in will help you to fail. that is a pretty dumb statement. With the turnover rate of reefers being 1:1 a year, I've shied away from recommending a filter sock because more often than not it will create more problems than solutions for even the above average reefer. FWIW Bob Fenner of wetwebmedia has been turning his readers off from the socks as well. In BobF I trust. The two most common reasons Reefer turnover is 1:1 a year is two reasons first people relying on a LFS that does not care about the customer and only cares about what they can sell that customer and hands out false information.
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Post by NateG on Apr 3, 2014 11:41:46 GMT -5
You are joking right? You are telling someone to grow up...on an online forum...not in person...and I need to grow up. PM me if you have any other concerns not pertaining to the right sump set up for Tucker. He asked for pictures, and I posted them with as much detail as I could vs. leaving the details out. I don't understand what the issue is. Yes filter socks are fine (wont fowl)if they are in fact maintained on a regular schedule like previously mentioned. |
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Post by BriMc on Apr 3, 2014 12:07:06 GMT -5
PM sent
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Post by Pokahpolice on Apr 3, 2014 12:08:18 GMT -5
Nate we were talking about the use of filter socks in the last few post not the pretty pictures of your Buddy " The service person at Easy's" Baffles. All the sudden you post pictures of your buddies sump. I asked for a picture of the baffle set up...FYI |
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Post by Pokahpolice on Apr 3, 2014 12:09:32 GMT -5
And fwiw my buddy has a 65 gallon sump on his 120 and I absolutely love it. Center return chamber. Fuge on right. Skimmer on left. Both are fed raw water. I just picked up some sand/mud/chaeto from him and that very night (last night) SWARMS of pods all around my display DO you have a pic of the fuge? I'd like to see how the baffles are set up. Can't really put it together in my head. See above |
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