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Post by justkeepfragging on Mar 12, 2014 17:29:46 GMT -5
SO I've got a 20H reef established for over 2 years, I have lots of LPS and softies low in the tank but I have 2 par38's over them. I've got a jebao wp25 for circulation and an aquaclear 70. Do you think my system could handle sps? If so what kinds and where in the tank should they go flow wise. Thanks for all of your input!
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Post by scoobnoob on Mar 12, 2014 17:59:48 GMT -5
Start with the easier sps like bird nest, then go from there.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Mar 12, 2014 18:20:57 GMT -5
+1
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Post by gotareef on Mar 12, 2014 18:22:20 GMT -5
different sps have different needs,some softies have higher requirements than some sps... something like pavona cactus are failsafe, they will live in any conditions this is a good read www.advancedaquarist.com/2014/2/myths
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Post by justkeepfragging on Mar 12, 2014 19:13:35 GMT -5
thanks =D
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Post by Tucker on Mar 12, 2014 20:04:45 GMT -5
With a wp-25 in there I bet there is more than enough flow for sps. No protein skimmer?
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Post by scoobnoob on Mar 12, 2014 21:58:06 GMT -5
Don't need a skimmer on a 20 if you keep up with water changes. This may be untrue if intentions are acros but I do not have a skimmer on my 24 and birds nest, montis, poccis, and stylos all thrive.
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Post by gotareef on Mar 12, 2014 22:20:02 GMT -5
With a wp-25 in there I bet there is more than enough flow for sps. No protein skimmer? you need to read the article I posted flow dosnt necessarily have anything to do with it
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Post by justkeepfragging on Mar 13, 2014 10:45:52 GMT -5
yeah no protein skimmer since I don't have a sump
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Post by BriMc on Mar 13, 2014 13:35:31 GMT -5
Flow doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it if you are keeping a sterile tank, bare bottom, no fish, no feeding, all levels kept at zero, and you blow the sps off with a turkey baster a couple of times a day.
Again, in all fairness, this myth is partially true. Providing corals with more water flow has beneficial effects on growth rates, photosynthesis, respiration, sediment shedding, waste removal and feeding (Wijgerde 2013b). However, "too much" is a concept that also holds true for water flow, as many aquarists know well. For example, placing corals too close to the outlet of a flow pump can result in serious damage to coral tissue. In addition, when corals experience very high flow rates, their polyps deform to such an extent that feeding on plankton is no longer possible (Dai and Lin 1993; Wijgerde et al. 2012b).
In practice, most corals do well and are able to feed in a flow range between roughly 5 and 25 cm s-1.
Yes if you put a SPS or most any coral in front of a powerful water outlet it will blow the tissue or skin away or off the skeleton. What he doesn't say is that without water movement or too low of water movement waste and sediment shedding removal does not take place and the corals respiration, waste removal, and photosynthesis are greatly reduced causing reduced growth rates and the corals demise. There are many upon many of scientist that have proven the importance of higher water flow with sps. This is also where you get into splitting hairs between water movement and water flow, two different animals.
I have seen both coral only and Coral / low bio load fish tanks with no Protein skimmers on them, it can be done.
Sometimes people argue that without a protein skimmer, it is impossible to maintain healthy corals and fish. While it can indeed be difficult, it is not at all impossible. Alternatives to foam fractionation exist, although these are often considered to be inefficient, unpredictable, time consuming and laborious. Some aquaria even run without any active filtration, and depend on regular water changes. These are often (very) small aquaria, making relatively large water changes feasible. Although a protein skimmer is not essential, it is a recommended filtration option for most hobbyists, who prefer high stocking densities and low maintenance.
A protein skimmer is also great for oxygen / water interchange along with waste removal which is also important for a healthy aquarium. It is also good insurance if something gets in the water of your tank.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Mar 13, 2014 17:08:50 GMT -5
+1
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Post by justkeepfragging on Mar 13, 2014 21:12:46 GMT -5
+1
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Post by jasonandsarah on Mar 14, 2014 4:59:06 GMT -5
Idk if he has anymore but Rob had this green milli I bought from him when I first started getting sps and I loved it. It's done really good to. What types of sps interest you? Do you know what you want your first piece to be?
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Post by gotareef on Mar 14, 2014 10:59:00 GMT -5
Idk if he has anymore but Rob had this green milli I bought from him when I first started getting sps and I loved it. It's done really good to. What types of sps interest you? Do you know what you want your first piece to be? did yours get the orange on the coralites yet?
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Post by jasonandsarah on Mar 14, 2014 11:04:31 GMT -5
No I bleached mine out on accident so it's just now getting it's green back but I may have pictures of when it did have the colors. It had some orange and yellow I thought? Might just be me? Lol
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