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Post by jasonandsarah on Nov 2, 2014 14:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by maineultraclassic on Nov 2, 2014 16:22:48 GMT -5
you need to remember I helped design reefbreeder leds the reason I had to wait to sell them... (insider trading laws) LMAO...........it's getting deep in here now!!! |
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Post by reefbreedersllc on Nov 2, 2014 16:33:39 GMT -5
since when do epistar and bridglux have bins for their led? reefbreeders dosnt pick anything and last I herd they pay about $45 per light you can get evergrow led with cree led that have bins but it is a 90w fixture and cost about $200 2 year warranty is evergrow warranty if you contact them with warranty issues they send you the paper to tell you how to fix it. you just ask permission to open it, or they send you to me or another distributor the lights I got were identical to reefbreeders I asked for them that way lol but because im not buying 2000 fixtures a year it cost me double the price for the same led (the more u buy the cheaper it gets) show me the bins on the led? you need to remember I helped design reefbreeder leds the reason I had to wait to sell them... (insider trading laws) this is why I had gbgreensun lights that were copys of the first evergrow lights (thats what I told them to put together...) where did you guys get your info? lol my contact at evergrow is "ICE" you guys need to send her a message because obviously you guys need to hear it from someone else.... or if you want to contact gbgreensun my contact is ruby wu Hi, this thread was recently brought to our attention and we feel the need to clear a few things up. First of all, the poster (gotareef) is in no way affiliated with Reef Breeders LLC, nor has he ever been. Our layout is 100% proprietary, and based on OUR research and testing. No outside company or entity played a role in developing our layout or design, and stating otherwise is simply erroneous. Our lights are manufactured in China by EverGrow with our cooperation on the design and build process. This is a known and already established fact. Some lights are made exclusively for us, such as the Photon 48 and SuperLux, and others are made by us with no involvement by an outside company (such as the upcoming SuperNova). We choose the most efficient LEDs possible from several companies in Hong Kong and China (each company specializes in different color chips), and PAR values/Spectral readings are available and easily visible on our website. The warranty and customer service are all handled by Reef Breeders LLC in the USA, EverGrow plays 0 part in that and we work hard to ensure that each customer is happy with our service and product. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us via the website, and we recommend taking what the above poster has to say with a grain of salt. Thank You, Logan Vanghele Reef Breeders LLC |
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Post by BriMc on Nov 2, 2014 16:40:00 GMT -5
Jason you are absolutely correct on all counts and Gotareef has no idea what he is talking about. Gotareef without you looking it up what exactly is a BIN?  I know how proprietary this stuff is and Rob would not get any further then the sales staff and maybe to a tech who tries to answer questions and that is about it. I know as I said many times I worked for a major player in Lighting world. What? you bought 10 fixtures maybe 20 that doesn't make you anything but a hobbyist trying to screw a company for a discount. Show me your tax id number, Registration of your business with your city or town, A resale certificate, a permit of intent for repair or manufacturing with your town. At least a written agreement with the companies you mentioned that you are representing them as a repair or resale company. I get my information by previously working for a MAJOR lamp, bulb, and LED manufacturer for many years. When I have questions I drive down to one of three engineering labs and have the questions answered by engineers who are currently designing and manufacturing the product. I am not talking to a sales person in China who is reading answers off a card and I can tell you if the manufacturer you are "talking" to is a reputable manufacturer, Sales, manufacturing, engineering (R&D), and distribution are all different entities and are set up this way to protect the proprietary rights. Gotareef can you tell me more about exactly what you helped design for Reef breeders? |
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Post by gotareef on Nov 2, 2014 18:22:09 GMT -5
ok first led with bin# are tested to perform to a certain standard the higher the bin # the closer to the actual nm color it is listed as. having said that to me it dosnt matter if it peaks at 430nm when you want 420nm you will still have "close enough" imo
and lol I sold closer to 485 fixtures to be exact in the almost 3 years I sold them. I just gave about 20 local hobbyists a deal. along with newengland aquarium service, easy aquariums, jays aquatics....now I sell grow lights to a few grow stores... so if you need a nova fixture or a znet fixture I can get great deals. I sell wholesale and every once in a wile I hook up a friend lol not sure how helping the local "club" out is screwing anybody?
with the aquarium lights, once there was a u.s. warehouse built for me without buying 50+ lights a month it is cheaper to get them directly from the u.s. company on ebay or their site...
with the grow lights the companys keep a set market price. so the fluctuation with the market price of aquarium lights wont happen...
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Post by jasonandsarah on Nov 2, 2014 19:15:37 GMT -5
Almost every chart on chlorophyll A and B says there's a difference though. If you want the best health, growth and color out of your corals then you want to hit these peaks. Chlorophyll A 420nm & 650nm and chlorophyll B 460nm and 625nm, Carotenoids peaking from 430- 520. There's nothing saying you can't keep corals out of these ranges but this is where you're going to get the BEST results. If all of your blue leds are supposed to be peaking at 420nm and they're at 440nm you're not getting the BEST results you possibly can because your not hitting those peaks. The best lights hit all of these peaks and have the best leds in these ranges. You definitely can buy a led on a budget and be very successful in not disputing that at all. But typy want to be sure the people involved with the lights know what they're doing and don't think there's absolutely nothing different between these spectrums. It's really hard to dispute science. I learned the hard way that not all leds are created equal. As always to each their own this I is my view on things and what I've learned from many hours of reading. I myself used to think there wasn't really a big difference.  Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards |
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Post by Syntax on Nov 2, 2014 20:49:03 GMT -5
Wow! Lighting threads about led's are intense.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Nov 2, 2014 21:48:57 GMT -5
Debating about anything is normally intense. If it wasn't no one would debate  Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards |
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Post by BriMc on Nov 2, 2014 22:27:03 GMT -5
Good answer on the Bin question but I don't know what the rest of the B/S means. You stated you helped design the Reef Breeders LED's which according to Logan is not true.
You made this statement,
"with evergrow, repairs are done by the distributors (the reason I have a pile of replacement led sitting here) so if you have an evergrow light I have permission to open the light and repair it",
So I am guessing that you are hinting that you are a distributor because you have so many parts ? Again as I said before I did the "oh yeah I have a tax Id number and a resale cert" it was amazing how many companies sold to me. The first couple of times they would ask me to fax over the info and then as long as I was ordering once a month they didn't bother me with it.
and lol I sold closer to 485 fixtures to be exact in the almost 3 years I sold them. I just gave about 20 local hobbyists a deal. along with newengland aquarium service, easy aquariums, jays aquatics....now I sell grow lights to a few grow stores... so if you need a nova fixture or a znet fixture I can get great deals. I sell wholesale and every once in a wile I hook up a friend lol not sure how helping the local "club" out is screwing anybody?
See what I don't understand is why Easy or Jays, being a retail location would buy from you as you are their competition and they can go direct, get warranty from the manufacturer and cut you out. Now I know you bought a boat load of fixtures so I would guess you had a fire sale and gave everybody a deal to recoupe your money.
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Post by gotareef on Nov 3, 2014 9:43:19 GMT -5
ok I miss spoke I helped with layouts and par readings on those layouts....not design the light the light was designed in china... with the actual "reefbreeders" company, I shared my readings with the light made by evergrow, and sold him the par meter for his own tests... because of this and it being a u.s. company their are laws.... so I started selling "the same" light made by a different company gbgreensun. to try and differentiate my light from his.... not quite sure why you need to understand? lfs bought off me because I could get a better deal... now they buy direct because I dont sell them anymore lmao! with evergrow or gbgreensun the warranty is handled by them. when I sold evergrow I extended this warranty to me repairing and replacing the light in house just like reefbreeder does (saves a couple weeks without a light if you do have warranty issues) just like with wholesaling coral right now... not competition at all I am a distributor,I sell wholesale thats what my licenses are for.... I sell to the lfs so their isnt competition. newengland dosnt have a distributor for coral, thats where I come in  (and the reason I dont sell frags anymore, cant sell to a person and expect them to compete with me) so just for an fyi- if you buy a few types of coral they most likely come from me I am done, not sure why I should or have to explain my business to someone who just seems to love the drama. (well starts enough of it anyway) seems like you need a new way of thinking? someday you will understand how business works? maybe? until then I would recommend a class in business... some of us already have a degree lmao |
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Post by jasonandsarah on Nov 3, 2014 10:24:42 GMT -5
We've always disagreed on led lighting. Idk why I even enter these debates? Different opinions is normal and perfectly fine but disputing scientific evidence of what corals (mainly sps) need to STRIVE not just survive is where I feel like I have to enter. Way to many misconceptions going around.
Can a coral live under most any led (or any lighting period) most of the time yes. Can they stay healthy and happy and grow like crazy without proper spectrum? No not really and definitely not long term. I also want to add that I'm mainly talking about sps.
I also never said anything about business and really don't care about that aspect of the argument because that's not what this forum is for and other people's business is none of my business imo.
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Post by gotareef on Nov 3, 2014 11:39:18 GMT -5
We've always disagreed on led lighting. Idk why I even enter these debates? Different opinions is normal and perfectly fine but disputing scientific evidence of what corals (mainly sps) need to STRIVE not just survive is where I feel like I have to enter. Way to many misconceptions going around. Can a coral live under most any led (or any lighting period) most of the time yes. Can they stay healthy and happy and grow like crazy without proper spectrum? No not really and definitely not long term. I also want to add that I'm mainly talking about sps. with either gbgreensun or evergrow you can get a custom led layout, meaning any color led in any spot of the light. are all the colors on the fixture "needed" that is up to you, personally I dont like looking at a blue tank and the layout I use is comparable to mh in color and look. it is the basic layout the one that is designed to compare to mh.... if you have a tank dedicated to a certain type of coral sps/lps/softies you may want to change a few colors around to suit the needs of that specific type of coral, but for a mixed reef the basic layout is what I recommend... |
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Post by BriMc on Nov 3, 2014 11:44:38 GMT -5
Wow gotareef, let me help you remember here is your statement show me the bins on the led? you need to remember I helped design reefbreeder leds the reason I had to wait to sell them... (insider trading laws) this is why I had gbgreensun lights that were copys of the first evergrow lights (thats what I told them to put together...). Logan all ready said you were full of crap. Your inside trader comment is also a false statement these are made in China where there are little to no proprietary laws. Your comment about buying frags and they probably came from you is another large statement that is false. I am done, not sure why I should or have to explain my business to someone who just seems to love the drama. (well starts enough of it anyway) seems like you need a new way of thinking? someday you will understand how business works? maybe? until then I would recommend a class in business... some of us already have a degree lmao First, I have a feeling you are blowing smoke up everybody's arse and it is getting hard to breath. And as for your degree I am sure you have B.S. P.H.D Second, because your track record posting you can't keep your stories straight and I question your having business permits or licenses or even a tax ID number. Yeah your a Business major, I attended Salem University, my major was Business management / Business development. I am not the one in question here but if you need some background, I have managed a few businesses and have consulted for others as well as running my own legitimate business yes permit, license, tax ID and even a legitimate LEGAL location with a occupancy certificate registered in the town I was operating in not my house or basement. I don't have a problem posting names of businesses I have managed and consulted for because my info can be verified as we have seen yesterday yours cannot. ( if you need company names I can provide them ). ROTFLMFAO Now if you want me to be a real penis, your Business permit, Resale permit, tax id cert and if you have one occupancy permit are all public documents and need to be displayed in your place of business and must be presented to ANYONE who requests to see it. Got Docs?? I don't like the drama but when someone fills a group with fallacies I like to sort them out for what they are ( ask people who know me I have no problem calling someone out as well as being called out ) and after yesterday and today we see you are in a dream land. "Oh" I never said that. As for everybody twisting everything we are just going back and looking at what you have posted and finding things aren't as you say. According to Logan he has no Idea what you are talking about including the buying of the PAR meter. So I don't know what to say. Now who else did you say you were a repair provider or distributor for. ? Nuff Said. |
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Post by gotareef on Nov 3, 2014 12:04:48 GMT -5
lmao... on r2r where I met him my name is mainereefer, if you want you can come look at the emails and any proof you want I still have everything documented you can come take a look at my permits any time you want! working on cites now so I can ship to canada... would you like my ein,fein or wholesale # lmao...if you can give me your tax id number I can sell you corals as well completed my degree at kaplin last year, bachelors in business administration,with a major in marketing BriMc ( Biddeford ) seems because of some random thought process going on in your head, you back pedal get all flustered and try making personal attacks when still you dont know what you are talking about... I think you need to look at the top of the board where it says "no drama, have fun" your making yourself look like the poster child for drama on this site. should I post the quote from you last time you started a bunch of unfounded drama and you "quit this site" rofl |
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Post by gotareef on Nov 3, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -5
just looked and it was 5/12/2012 when reefbreeders pd. me for the apoge quantum meter. ask him if it is still in its nice black suitcase
I can probably copy and paste emails sent on everything we talked about with his rb lights... again lmao
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I know how proprietary this stuff is and Rob would not get any further then the sales staff and maybe to a tech who tries to answer questions and that is about it. I know as I said many times I worked for a major player in Lighting world. What? you bought 10 fixtures maybe 20 that doesn't make you anything but a hobbyist trying to screw a company for a discount. Show me your tax id number, Registration of your business with your city or town, A resale certificate, a permit of intent for repair or manufacturing with your town. At least a written agreement with the companies you mentioned that you are representing them as a repair or resale company.
(and the reason I dont sell frags anymore, cant sell to a person and expect them to compete with me) so just for an fyi- if you buy a few types of coral they most likely come from me