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Post by ryansweatt2004 on Sept 4, 2014 21:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by BriMc on Sept 4, 2014 22:01:07 GMT -5
Hopefully it will not pass as the list of fish did not last year and sent off with a more studies are needed vote.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 8, 2014 9:39:23 GMT -5
I know peoples thoughts on Mr saltwater tank differ but tomorrow's Q&A is on this very subject and with all his contacts I think it could be pretty insightful and let people know what to expect from these type of rulings hopefully answer some questions for people? Here's the event tomorrow at 1 o'clock our time. new.livestream.com/accounts/1673384/events/3370656
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 9, 2014 12:51:27 GMT -5
I watched Mr Sw tank today and from what u gathered purple are saying these corals will soon have pretty strict restrictions on them. Like no buying, selling, crossing state lines or importing at all! Since all the names were scientific I didn't really know which were which but I now know that branching frogspawn (E. paradivisa) and monti (Montipora danae) super man monti? Are on the list. I really want to try and get the gold tip frog spawn before this happens!I know it's kinda selfish to think of right now but if I wait to long it could be a coral I always wanted, I can never have!
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Post by scoobnoob on Sept 9, 2014 19:11:43 GMT -5
If endangered would ownership be illegal and what do we do at that point? I have a friend that is a notary I've inquires about notorizing the ownership of my frogapawns and other corals to show I had legal ownership prior to any laws. I would really like to hear from some of our sponsors and their thoughts on this issue. There is so much potential for coral farming and reducing importation. I wish if needed they would cease import and allow farmers/hobbiest to proceed. Sadly few people outside the hobby know about aquaculture. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by scoobnoob on Sept 9, 2014 19:18:59 GMT -5
www.fws.gov/endangered/permits/faq.htmlIf owned prior legal. Must have documentation for transit.....offspring not exempt....is a frag offspring how the heck would that work. Technically isn't any polyp offspring...or other colonies? Also wouldn't they be inidated with permit requests.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 10, 2014 5:16:13 GMT -5
If endangered would ownership be illegal and what do we do at that point? I have a friend that is a notary I've inquires about notorizing the ownership of my frogapawns and other corals to show I had legal ownership prior to any laws. I would really like to hear from some of our sponsors and their thoughts on this issue. There is so much potential for coral farming and reducing importation. I wish if needed they would cease import and allow farmers/hobbiest to proceed. Sadly few people outside the hobby know about aquaculture. Just my 2 cents. Well to answer your first question the answer is no, they will not take any corals that you already have. More then likely you'll also be able to "give" said coral away to a friend. But you can't sell it or cross stay lines with it. In order to be able to sell it or obtain it I guess you would need some type of licence or permit obtained through proof that your coral is aquacultured. It was stated this would be a very hard feat Atpm. I'm personally rounding up all the pictures I've had since the start of my tank documenting that I've grown these corals since they were tiny frags. I mean I've had my 2 branching frogspawns since my tank was set up. The reefers I got them from could document them back years of being aquacultured I'm sure. (Ryan's bi-colored and Rob's green w/purple/pink tips) As far as aquaculture is concerned, that's actually a lot of what he talked about and the fact that the government agencies don't know anything about it. He also talked about ways they are trying to fund research to show evidence that a lot of these corals aren't "threatened" In the reefing community or the ocean I mean branching frogspawn and montipora denea are fairly prevalent in or hobby imo. The organization is pijax I believe, they need funding for research and things off that nature to bring to these government agencies and show them these corals aren't really threatened, also to show the facts about aquacultured corals and how not only can they help reduce or even eliminate wild harvest, But they could also be a great way to put some of these corals back into the ocean. If they do ever become an endangered species or worse. They're also saying clownfish, damsels and pj cardinals are on the list to be put on the threatened list! Clownfish!!! Really??? PIJAC is the organization and hers a link... www.pijac.org/ADF on the very bottom you can donate to help. Another link related to this topic www.reef2rainforest.com/2014/09/09/do-you-love-corals-a-letter-from-pijacs-marine-aquarium-committee/
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 10, 2014 5:29:20 GMT -5
www.fws.gov/endangered/permits/faq.htmlIf owned prior legal. Must have documentation for transit.....offspring not exempt....is a frag offspring how the heck would that work. Technically isn't any polyp offspring...or other colonies? Also wouldn't they be inidated with permit requests. Wow very interesting and I hope some of these laws are changed for our sake. Taken from the link.... Captive-bred wildlife permits are not issued to keep or breed endangered or threatened animals as pets. Using protected species as pets is not consistent with the purposes of the ESA, which is aimed at conservation of the species and recovery of wild populations. A person registered with the FWS may obtain a captive-bred wildlife permit to buy and sell within the United States live, non-native endangered or threatened animals that were captive born in the United States for enhancement of species propagation, provided the other person in the transaction is registered for the same species. A separate permit is needed to import or export such species. Captive-bred wildlife permits are not issued to keep or breed endangered or threatened animals as pets. Using protected species as pets is not consistent with the purposes of the ESA, which is aimed at conservation of the species and recovery of wild populations.
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Post by scoobnoob on Sept 10, 2014 6:58:57 GMT -5
We all propogate these animals its part of keeping them. I imagine we could support that. I know I would try to work closely with a research institute to give my frags away like the ARC at UMO. I wonder if the reefing community can do a census of their tanks for these corals especially captive/aquacultured. I've read about the clownfish population in decline on the reefs. I don't see any need for wild caught clowns at this point in the hobby. Also with the release of the 2nd Nemo movie both hobbiest and activist will surely see a surge in activity.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 10, 2014 7:02:31 GMT -5
Yeah finding Dory? Probably gonna put the blue hippo on the list to. Though it's already quite popular. I completely agree there's very little need for would caught clowns at all. Pay the couple extra bucks and feel good about your purchase.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 10, 2014 7:03:48 GMT -5
We all propogate these animals its part of keeping them. I imagine we could support that. I know I would try to work closely with a research institute to give my frags away like the ARC at UMO. X2 I completely agree with both of these statements.
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Post by scoobnoob on Sept 10, 2014 7:17:35 GMT -5
We should invite some local news stations to our next fragswap to do a story on successes in aquaculture at both the business and hobby level. Maybe we could plan this with one of the local businesses and have them speak maybe invite Soren too. The public just doesn't know. My tank is in an office people are taken away by it but the biggest interest they have is when I start talking about how we propagate corals.
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Post by scoobnoob on Sept 10, 2014 7:26:20 GMT -5
It would be cool to do a frag tree of Ryan's bicolor as we could see how many frags the original has generated. I've fragged mine at least 4 times one of the people a frag went too has like 6 heads. And I know a lot of us got this from him and are propogating it would make an interesting case study.
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Post by ryansweatt2004 on Sept 10, 2014 7:57:56 GMT -5
It would be cool to do a frag tree of Ryan's bicolor as we could see how many frags the original has generated. I've fragged mine at least 4 times one of the people a frag went too has like 6 heads. And I know a lot of us got this from him and are propogating it would make an interesting case study. The fact that it started as a 4 polyp maricultured colony and has continued to grow and produce in captivity says a lot about our hobby.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Sept 10, 2014 8:32:37 GMT -5
I think just on those 2 branching frogspawns Ryan's and Rob's there's probably thousands of frags throughout Maine. The one I got from Ryan (bi-colored) was 1 head and now it's 8 heads and splitting more often. Rob's (green w/pink tip) was a 2 headed frag that I got probably 8 months ago and it's easily 14 heads. These a both awesome examples of how a small frag can grow and supply a large area with zero impact on the ocean.
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