Wonder how long it'll take jebao to make one??

I really don't like the design of this. While the concept is good, I really don't like the looks of it. It can be accomplished with traditional wavemakers or powerheads, for a lot less money.

its better than their first design! their first one had the bottom open so fish were getting sucked in and chopped. not to mention it was light blue..
even with the bottom now covered I think it would still be a fishes nightmare...

I think this is brilliant. As far as I can tell it is not possible to produce laminar flows with a prop pump (at least the current batch of prop pumps can't). And since both turbulent and laminar flows exist on the reef, a combination of both pump types would be great.

hey jason have you seen this yet?
reefbreeders.com/shop/d700-skimmer/

 They don't cheap out too much? how much is too much?  How do you think they make the products so cheap? Besides cheap labor? We are seeing the beginning of the Jebao pump failures in droves. The time frame is between 45 days and 1 year. Don't get me wrong I love the Jebaos but understand what you are buying.  

Can't we all just get along?

Look, the right way to make a point is to either cite some real empirical evidence - or - admit to the anecodotal basis of your evidence. For example:

In my experience with 4 EcoTech VorTech pumps I have not had a single failure to date. Two of the pumps, MP10s, are ~3 years old, one MP40 is ~2 years old, and the last MP10 is almost brand new. I would expect any continuously running mechanical device in saltwater, subject to encrustation by living critters to fail eventually though so I'm expecting to have to start replacing parts any day now.

To the specifics of this, I'm conflicted. It bothers me when a person or company or whatever simply rips off someone else's work. At the same time that can push the state of the art forward faster than otherwise. I personally find it compelling to buy a well supported, well designed product from the people who invented it. Even better if it is a US company.

That is all.

Jason absolutely not bashing you, realize that this is a forum, You post things you read and also experiences you have. You commented about 2 items you have from Jebao that have worked well for you, that is great. The great things about a forum is that many people can give their insights about what is posted, this is what makes it a forum.Many nubies come on this forum and seek information about products and believe the first thing they read and don't do any research.I like to make sure when I post things about products I give both sides hence the amount of going back and forth. I also spend much time on the net as you do reading great articles that company's write about their products. I go two steps further, I look for articles on forums where people are having issues with these items, I also visit many retailers and distributors in N.E. asking and talking about issues products have. A few people on this group can attest to the amount of driving I do between aquaria and my other passion. Now maineultra had one fail after three months, Here is a link to a few more failures, There are also many failures with the controller itself too.

www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2435268&highlight=jebao+pump+failure

Now if you would like I can get you twenty plus forum posts on issues with these pumps. Better yet why don't you can jump in on one of the store tours and you can talk to two retailers I visit who sells them.

Again not reading and mis quoting, I said I love the Jebao wave makers !! My thoughts right now being on the fence are, if I have to replace the Jebao pumps possibly every year or maybe less, the ecotech pumps may be a better bang for the buck.