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Post by jasonandsarah on May 6, 2015 16:55:08 GMT -5
Just want to get a sence of how many people keep Sps? Acropora, montipora, Millipora, stylopora, Seriatopora and or any other kind of Sps?
I get the feeling that people have been mislead into thinking all Sps are crazy hard to keep and require perfect water conditions. When in fact most do not and good lighting, flow and consistent parameters are all you really need (and a mature tank) even for the harder Ones like Acropora. Some like birdsnest can do good in most any mature tank with someone that knows what they're doing. Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards
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Post by foggman on May 6, 2015 17:02:49 GMT -5
I have a couple diffrent types of SPS, but no colorfull sticks.....yet I think with my new scape I will try again, as soon as I get a chance I'm going to come visit you
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Post by maineultraclassic on May 7, 2015 7:16:48 GMT -5
I'm far from an SPS guy, but I still have about 10-12 of them in my tank. My water parameters are far from pristine, but they are all doing great and growing well with great lighting and flow.
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Post by Pokahpolice on May 7, 2015 8:20:26 GMT -5
I've never found that water parameters needed to be pristine...just stable. You do however, need to test ALK and CA and keep those stable as well....as I type this I realize that some might consider what I said as keeping pristine water conditions.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 7, 2015 9:06:38 GMT -5
I've never found that water parameters needed to be pristine...just stable. You do however, need to test ALK and CA and keep those stable as well....as I type this I realize that some might consider what I said as keeping pristine water conditions. To me those are just fundamentals and the building blocks of a reef tank. But then again I can't see any form of reasoning for not keeping Sps I mean they're the single most important coral of a real reef. Imo Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards
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Post by Sean (90 reef, fw rack sys) on May 7, 2015 13:14:39 GMT -5
I've got a few, but looking to get more in the future now that I have better lighting
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Post by moulton712 on May 20, 2015 9:11:46 GMT -5
I tend to kill them after a while. I'm dumb. I can only keep Zoas and lps.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 20, 2015 10:23:56 GMT -5
I tend to kill them after a while. I'm dumb. I can only keep Zoas and lps. Some just randomly die on there own, Especially wild caught acro's for sure. That's why certain named corals like tyree, Jason fox and cultivated reef (just a few) are great places to buy from because they have acro's that they've grown out and kept long periods of time "aquaculture" witch makes the prices they charge worth it, A lot better chance of survival.. Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards
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Post by reefkprz on May 23, 2015 4:57:04 GMT -5
I keep and have kept SPS for quite a while. I feel a lot of the "random die off" can be prevented simply by appropriate feeding. almost every coral out there feed organismally, so forcing them to rely on photosynthesis alone almost guarantees they are going to die eventually. The tendency for sps tanks to be too sterile is what I would suspect in a lot of cases, people often forget that reefs are what they are because of the abundance of food available, starting at nitrogen and working its way up the chain through phyto and zoo plankton's and up and up. so if we don't support that network of nutrition our corals wind up starving. Obviously we don't want enough nitrogenous wastes to create algae problems but we need to be putting in enough food to support what we have, and remove the excess by-products. To sum it up in one sentence I feel people over emphasize on keeping it clean rather than making nutrition available and removing the waste.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 23, 2015 9:22:22 GMT -5
I keep and have kept SPS for quite a while. I feel a lot of the "random die off" can be prevented simply by appropriate feeding. almost every coral out there feed organismally, so forcing them to rely on photosynthesis alone almost guarantees they are going to die eventually. The tendency for sps tanks to be too sterile is what I would suspect in a lot of cases, people often forget that reefs are what they are because of the abundance of food available, starting at nitrogen and working its way up the chain through phyto and zoo plankton's and up and up. so if we don't support that network of nutrition our corals wind up starving. Obviously we don't want enough nitrogenous wastes to create algae problems but we need to be putting in enough food to support what we have, and remove the excess by-products. To sum it up in one sentence I feel people over emphasize on keeping it clean rather than making nutrition available and removing the waste. I see your points but this is normally only done by newbies (Getting your tank to clean) imo. I mean most any half experienced reefer knows you can't keep your levels at Zero unless your pumping phytoplankton and other types of food into your reef like crazy. Keeping your phosphates at 0.03-0.05 is the perfect range imo and keeping your nitrates consistently at 5 is plenty of "food" for Sps. I feed my corals with coral frenzy plus I feed my whole reef with LRF a couple times a day and corals love fish poo so the better I feed my fish the more my corals get to eat! Right? Lol Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards
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Post by moulton712 on May 23, 2015 9:53:57 GMT -5
Well I've had softball sized birdsnest in both tanks die over night. Then the downward spiral. Everything looks like crap. Did water changes and carbon. Something has to change. ICan't figure it out except I'm tapped for money. Lights and skimmer would probably be a good starting point. I just can't invest in the lights I want.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 23, 2015 10:22:41 GMT -5
Well I've had softball sized birdsnest in both tanks die over night. Then the downward spiral. Everything looks like crap. Did water changes and carbon. Something has to change. ICan't figure it out except I'm tapped for money. Lights and skimmer would probably be a good starting point. I just can't invest in the lights I want. I have a pretty nice skimmer. Bubble magnus curve 7 rated up to 240g and only used about 5-6 months on my system. I doubt your lighting is a problem. I'd recommend possibly adding a T5 retro kit with your led? I have a 2 bulb t5 added to mine. Helps with shadowing a lot. Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards
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Post by reefkprz on May 23, 2015 15:34:19 GMT -5
ahh jason your not quite grasping what I mean, those nutrient levels are fine but just because those are there doesn't mean the planktonic foods are, when we powerskim our tanks all that little stuff gets sucked up. sps don't feed on nitrates, they are carnivores they need actual chunks in the right size range, most corals are carnivores thats the challenge for keeping sps long term is keeping enough of the right sized zoo available without pushing our levels into crazy spikes of death. The capture rate I believe calfo? or fenner? or one of those guys, god it's been forever since I read that article, did some sort of research on capture rate for planktonic foods and it was abysmally low like 5 or so percent of what was dosed into the tank, (i'm not even sure how they measured that) but if thats correct even if we are hitting the tank 2 times a day with a zoo based food it may still be insufficient for the long term health of the coral because we are pulling it faster than they can capture it so it doesn't breakdown. and of course that's just my theory (and of course I did say a lot of unknown dieoff), but your talking to a guy that feeds his tank skimmate so take it with a grain of salt. but honestly I feel 99% of tanks are underfed, or rather not fed enough of the variety as needed.
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Post by jasonandsarah on May 23, 2015 15:52:32 GMT -5
ahh jason your not quite grasping what I mean, those nutrient levels are fine but just because those are there doesn't mean the planktonic foods are, when we powerskim our tanks all that little stuff gets sucked up. sps don't feed on nitrates, they are carnivores they need actual chunks in the right size range, most corals are carnivores thats the challenge for keeping sps long term is keeping enough of the right sized zoo available without pushing our levels into crazy spikes of death. The capture rate I believe calfo? or fenner? or one of those guys, god it's been forever since I read that article, did some sort of research on capture rate for planktonic foods and it was abysmally low like 5 or so percent of what was dosed into the tank, (i'm not even sure how they measured that) but if thats correct even if we are hitting the tank 2 times a day with a zoo based food it may still be insufficient for the long term health of the coral because we are pulling it faster than they can capture it so it doesn't breakdown. and of course that's just my theory (and of course I did say a lot of unknown dieoff), but your talking to a guy that feeds his tank skimmate so take it with a grain of salt. but honestly I feel 99% of tanks are underfed, or rather not fed enough of the variety as needed. I completely agree with 99% of our tanks are under fed. But that's the balance we have to keep in a glass box. Somewhere between under fed and a crashing tank. I feel I have my balance down pact pretty good. I have successfully kept Sps of every kind for along time now. What I was saying earlier in this thread is some Acros especially come in from the ocean and just die. Whatever the reason is they just do. Some things are just meant to be kept in the ocean imo. Then again if someone gets lucky and gets one of those Acros (or any other picky coral) to prosper in their glass box then they've found a good specimen for aqua culture and there for much higher success rate. Hopefully I'm making some sence? Sent from my SM-N910R4 using proboards
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Post by reefkprz on May 23, 2015 16:05:53 GMT -5
10-4, not to mention a lot of the wild caughts go through hell before we get them so they could have a non visible stress/shipping/exposure induced illness as we get them and they hang on for a couple months and even grow a bit before succumbing.
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