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Post by Lance on Mar 18, 2014 11:07:37 GMT -5
Tough call. I probably would have found another way to catch him. In the wild, do clown gobies live in acros? With time, do you think your corals would have adapted to the goby? I think if I had massive colonies that the issue might have been reduced. However, in captivity, anything that stresses your livestock repetitively is to be avoided IMHO. The situation might be stable for awhile, but if conditions change (and they always do in an aquarium) the equivalent of a minor open wound becomes an entry point for something worse. We all know how fast an entire SPS colony can crash, and how the issue can spread. Not worth it.
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Post by skirossi on Mar 18, 2014 11:08:28 GMT -5
I remember when this was recommended, along with fishing hooks.... I would have no problem euthanizing a cat that pissed on my $20,000 rug I dont care if I pd $2600 for the toyger I want, it would be dead.... having said that I would never de-claw a cat that is mean since we are on the subject of animals. I was watching tv, a commercial came on feed the starving kids in a 3rd world country for only .40c a day. just after that a commercial came on to feed the dogs in america for only .60c a day..... lmao!! then I came to the realization... ship the dogs to the 3rd world country the kids get fed and the dogs dont starve! win win Thanks for the laugh Rob. In (South) Korea they eat dog, IIRC they had dog farms where they'd raise them for slaughter.
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Post by gotareef on Mar 18, 2014 11:32:18 GMT -5
(it was getting all to serious ) we laugh but its true, the sad part is probably 1/4 of our food in the u.s. is illegal in almost any other country and they are the ones who are weird.... Lance (Bangor, ME) not sure I want to go threw the million posts on it to find a data sheet on their consumption of the slime they eat off the polyps but google it and you will find everyone on every forum and every article written on them having the same result with clown gobies and sps....
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Post by gotareef on Mar 18, 2014 11:36:22 GMT -5
also if you go to mofib you can find the data I recorded on the warpaint gobies (mine were the first warpaint's documented breeding in captivity )
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Post by jasonandsarah on Mar 18, 2014 11:48:54 GMT -5
I personally have seen many horror stories about how aquarium fish are caught. including cyanide inside of squirt bottles. I've also owned a fish before that was overdosed on cyanide when being caught and it wasn't pretty.That's not even mentioning the death and destruction cyanide does on coral reefs. If anyone it's would caught fish you should know how a lot of them are caught not all but a lot. www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/content.php?sid=5799 m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4949952/?ir=GreenSo I think the advocates against the aquarium trade have plenty of ammo and won't be worrying about this incident in the least. I mean the point of the thread was to tell people to research there livestock before purchasing even when you think you know what the fish's habits and diet consist of.Not to gloat about spearing the fish this was used as a last ditch desperate measure to save large sps colonies. Who decides witch one lives? Obviously the one more important to the owner of the tank. I personally don't think I'd spear a fish to get it out of my tank but if I was frustrated enough and had lost enough money and livestock that might change.
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Post by Lance on Mar 18, 2014 11:53:25 GMT -5
Lance (Bangor, ME) not sure I want to go threw the million posts on it to find a data sheet on their consumption of the slime they eat off the polyps but google it and you will find everyone on every forum and every article written on them having the same result with clown gobies and sps.... I've looked a bit. I agree that everyone says that on the forums...but anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal. This hobby has a wealth of anecdotal "facts" that are really just BS passed from one hobbyist to another. Given that an actual empirical study by biologists who analyzed stomach contents found a highly varied diet, I'm prone to believe the study. In support, here's my anecdotal evidence... If SPS polyps or mucous was a major dietary component, I believe my goby would have wiped out entire colonies over the last six months, not just irritated them. My evidence is this: if given the option, my little guy would eat brine until he couldn't sit upright on his distended gut. Given that he has that kind of appetite and given the amount of time he's gone a day or three without feeding, he would have torn through all the Acro in my tank in a couple of weeks. He didn't. He consistently ONLY picked at polyps in the area he regularly perched. Anywho, thanks for the comments and thoughts! BTW - love the taste of dog.
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Post by jasonandsarah on Mar 18, 2014 11:57:39 GMT -5
That's because your a breeding expert Rob! Jk lol probably are though haha
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Post by BriMc on Mar 18, 2014 12:11:07 GMT -5
Lance I apologize, I take reefing very passionately and hate to see any animal that we take responsibility of when we buy them and have to injure or worse yet kill when we don't read up on them before we put them in our tanks. Sort of like a sales person selling a tank set up an tells the nubi ok now go pick out the fish you are going to put in your tank tonight. P.S. the X-Terminator mantis shrimp trap is a harmless trap to catch small fish and mantis shrimp without taking your tank apart, it at no point does any harm to the fish or shrimp.
I also Ran a retail location and worked in a wholesale / distribution set up. When I ran the retail location we would visit our distributors on a regular basis to see what the mortality rate was on shipments coming in to the wholesalers. We actually dropped many wholesalers because on the poor treatment of the livestock.
Bruce I respectfully disagree with you also, The fish, Beef, and Chicken we eat is caught or raised to sustain life and eat for nutrition. The fish that we have in our tanks are caught for no other reason than for some of us to have and say look what I have.
This is like politics everybody has their view.
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Post by gotareef on Mar 18, 2014 12:40:14 GMT -5
If SPS polyps or mucous was a major dietary component, I believe my goby would have wiped out entire colonies over the last six months, not just irritated them. My evidence is this: if given the option, my little guy would eat brine until he couldn't sit upright on his distended gut. Given that he has that kind of appetite and given the amount of time he's gone a day or three without feeding, he would have torn through all the Acro in my tank in a couple of weeks. He didn't. He consistently ONLY picked at polyps in the area he regularly perched. Anywho, thanks for the comments and thoughts! BTW - love the taste of dog. the way I see it, it may not necessarily be a major part of their diet but they do eat it like a kid in a candy store
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Post by jess on Mar 18, 2014 13:07:28 GMT -5
Everyone is going to have a different view. While I wouldn't personally spear a nuisance fish, I don't see it much different then flushing pest crabs, snails, slugs, bristle worms etc. However, desperate times call for desperate measures sometimes, and however we remove these critters should be done with as little stress as possible not just to the "pest" but the tank as a whole. I had a large damsel that came with a tank set up I bought. It picked at all my coral and tore everything apart. I tore my tank apart, tried traps, nothing. Finally resorted in going fishing in my tank. (Barbless hook) he was such an aggressive feeder caught him first hook. Completely fine.
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Post by speedyron on Mar 18, 2014 18:14:34 GMT -5
so Ive whittled the haft of the spear out now what did u say you used for the point?
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Post by doverdoug on Mar 18, 2014 18:46:14 GMT -5
This thread is bringing back some memories. Years ago I attended a sportsmans expo in bangor.. There was a guy showing off his new rubber worms by catching bass out of a huge fish tank. Years later I had a fish tank containing three smallmouth bass. Youd be surprised how much fun an ultralight pole can be. Barbless hook of course, and as it was catch and release only I dont think the fish minded much. Ive never speared a fish but if really needed to or was hungry I would. Depending on placement and size of the spearpoint Id say the fish might have a good chance of survival. If not you could always eat your catch! Cheers.
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Post by Lance on Mar 19, 2014 17:28:40 GMT -5
For those who may have been losing sleep, he's alive. :-)
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Post by jess on Mar 19, 2014 18:05:59 GMT -5
I need the zoas he's sitting on lol
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Post by Lance on Mar 19, 2014 18:07:53 GMT -5
I need the zoas he's sitting on lol Sent from my HTC ONE I dropped off some Bam Bam and Yellow Brick Road zoas at Easy last Friday. Go get em. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards
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